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cheers

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it's the film you're about to see

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has taken our investigation team six

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months to research and assembled

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and has involved them in a trip around

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the world we have met the people at the

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heart of the ufo phenomenon

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and it is their opinion that ufos are

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a major myth about ufos is that only

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cooks quacks

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nuts strange people believe in them or

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interested in them or see them

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that's absolute nonsense

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western australia is unique

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in the ufo problem because

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per capita i believe it has more

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sightings

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than any other civilized area in the

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i think the meaning of the word ufo is

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that they are unidentified

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and as long as they're unidentified we

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better try to identify them

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and that people you know waste a great

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deal of energy saying do you believe in

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them

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well the thing i believe in is they're

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actually everybody i bumped in bump into

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is either

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fascinated with the subject or willing

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people are describing a technology

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but they are really around the

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technology there are a number of

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psychological if you will even you know

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let's use the word psychic

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we did not notice teeth in fact when

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bonnie was lying on the table looking up

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one of them appeared to have sort of a

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membrane

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which flooded behind his lips it looked

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like a thin

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skin however you look at the phenomenon

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of ufos

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it is not the 99 you can explain it's

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the one percent you can't

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and in this last category we include a

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sighting close to perth in 1976.

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we talked to the western australian

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representative for dr heineck's ufo

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study center

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moonrise 3 25 a.m one mile north of

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wanaroo

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going towards yanchep in western

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australia jeff bell what are we doing

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well on february 8th 1976 at this

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precise time and location

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two chaps were going along this road uh

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wanaroo road and uh they noticed

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something unusual

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and they sent us this report early on

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sunday february 8 1976 while on our way

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fishing at the ancient

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we saw this red light low in the sky

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approximately a mile north of burns

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beach turn off in

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one roo road we talked about this thing

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whether it was a plane or something else

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on approaching i could see it wasn't

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moving we were

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catching up to it getting level uh with

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this object i couldn't see the red light

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on the back so

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i asked my mate to stop and i opened the

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passenger side door

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and watched this thing and my mate moved

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over and watched with me

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while we were looking it was about 150

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feet up and about

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90 degrees from the car and i noticed it

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pink lights coming from windows uh what

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looked like the front

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and underneath it it had this big shiny

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silvery light which

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looked like it was you know spinning

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while watching this thing for four

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minutes it took off

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very very slowly in a southwest

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direction about

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400 to 500 meters and stopped

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and hovered again we watched it for

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about another minute

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and then we packed them and took off do

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you think that looks like a hollywood

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or is what they are saying so

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unbelievable

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star wars the film that is likely to

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make more money than any other in

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history

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is only letting us get out of the

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observer's seat and into the pilots

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that after all is where we'd all like to

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none of men's fantasies of evil can

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compare with the reality

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this is the extraordinary motion picture

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of the best-selling novel jaws

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before star wars jaws grossed more money

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at the box office than any other film at

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an exclusive interview in hollywood

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its director steven spielberg told us

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while he was up to his neck in water

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he was really thinking of his next film

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close encounters of the third kind

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a film concerned with ufo just after

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jaws finished uh

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i came back and i wanted to relate to

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dry land and i also wanted to think

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about close encounters so i went out to

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pear blossom

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which is the desert near mojave there's

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nothing around for miles

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and if you want to watch the cosmos

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that's the place to stand and do it i

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mean you feel

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like a grain of salt and the stars are

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so vast i mean it's almost like looking

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down at the sky because the sky

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surrounds you it's an amazing

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planetarium show

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and i went out there and i parked my car

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turned the lights out and sat on the

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and looked up at the sky and said to

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myself if something

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comes down here right now and lands on

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and an opening appears would i get on

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take a ride

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and i thought about it and i looked up

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at the sky

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and i got very very nervous because i

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that i wouldn't get on and take a ride

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as a matter of fact i was getting so

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nervous

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by embracing and romancing that thought

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that i got back in my car i drove back

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to los angeles i was terrified

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most people think the interest in ufos

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is limited to a few cranks

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intelligent people who get together at

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international conferences

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all over the world to study them we

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visited one at chicago to interview the

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man who for 20 years

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was head of the u.s air force top

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security investigation into ufo's

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in the ufo problem so it's often been

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said that why don't astronomers see ufos

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who queried all the members of the

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american astronomical society

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found that 53 percent of those who

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said that in their opinion the ufo

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problem was was worthy of scientific

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and what is more 64 of the astronomers

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who responded

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objects

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sightings that they personally had made

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at their observatories frequently

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which to them was unexplained one of the

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most

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important findings that has been made

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about this phenomenon is that it is

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global in scope in other words it

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very uh in very concentrated fashions in

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waves in western europe in 1954 for

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china in australia especially in western

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the people from all these different

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cultures around the world are describing

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describing is an object that seems to be

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to maneuver it seems to be a technology

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come to the ground and leave traces and

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that are absolutely identical to

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things that have been catalogued in this

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there is now a catalog of such traces

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an ordinary man in an ordinary street in

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america

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but this man started the 1947 wave of

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sightings that swept the world when he

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claimed to have seen from his mountain

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rescue plane

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nine disc-like objects roughly 45 miles

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near mount rainier oregon the date

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later when asked by a reporter to

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describe how they flew

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arnold said their motion was like

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sources skipping over water

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in the papers the next day the world

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flying saucer on june 24

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cited them

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ken arnold consented to speak to us he

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had refused to make any public

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statements for the last

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five years it's easy to see that after

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he's still angry at the disbelief right

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here we've seen something i've seen

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something hundreds of pilots have seen

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something

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in the skies we have dutifully reported

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these things and we have to have 15

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witnesses before anybody's going to look

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why this is utterly fantastic this is

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more fantastic

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than than flying saucers or or people

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from venus or anything as far as i'm

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arnold siting amazed many people but

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than publisher ray palmer kenneth arnold

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fits into it

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i knew about flying saucers three years

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before kenneth arnold made his first

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sighting

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in the middle 40s a man called william

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shaver had written to palmer about his

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alleged visit to a subterranean culture

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peopled by beings he referred to as

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deros and terrors

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what he wrote was to create another

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legend of ufo mythology

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briefly it was the story of of of a

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radioactive flare from the sun around 12

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000 years ago

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which virtually wiped out life on earth

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and the survivors fled into space in

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spaceships

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while the the the persons left behind

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whom he called abandoned arrow

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went into into the cavern world and set

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up a civilization there

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which from that time on became

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contaminated because

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the atmosphere had to be drawn from the

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surface and so on in the water

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so they gradually degenerated into what

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he called daryl's

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uh d meaning detrimental or destructive

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and role

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being a shortening of robot or robotic

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in other words he felt that these people

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were mentally controlled

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by robotic darrow influences in other

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words the radioactivity in their brain

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made them insane

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but they had at their access the

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wonderful machines left by this

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civilization which fled the earth

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which had been taken down into the caves

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and among them

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was a craft they called a roll at row

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again for

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robotically controlled uh instrumentally

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controlled and so on

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and in the caves they used these things

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which were discs about 30 feet in

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diameter

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to go through tunnels and the torturous

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caves underneath the ground for hundreds

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of miles

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even from continent to continent and

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they were controlled automatically so

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they

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did not touch the floor the ceiling or

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the walls and therefore they had this

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flipping motion and they went through

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caves where they had a right angle turn

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they traveled around 1200 miles an hour

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when

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uh shaver heard about kenneth arnold's

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sighting he wrote me very triumphantly

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and said you see

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these roulettes do come out of the caves

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perhaps the greatest surprise

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was when arnold reported his sighting to

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the nearest u.s military air base

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he found on the wall of the commander's

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office this classified

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gun site photograph which bore a

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remarkable resemblance to what arnold

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claimed he had just

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seen and shaver had discussed three

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years before

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something else ken arnold didn't know

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was that dr

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heineck was officially researching ufos

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for the us air force

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and compiling a classified report known

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as project

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well it was as an astronomer that i

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first became associated with the ufo

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problem

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in 1948 the air force asked me

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as an astronomer to assist them in

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seeing how many of the reports on flying

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saucers that were coming in at that time

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could be explained astronomically and

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one thing led to another and i became

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scientific consultant to the air force

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and remained so for some twenty years

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i started almost as a complete skeptic

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because i thought the whole thing was a

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question of post-war nerves

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but it was the persistence of the

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phenomenon it refused to dry up and blow

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away

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it finally led me to the belief that

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we had a real phenomenon to deal with in

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the years that followed

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heineck was to investigate reports from

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all over the world

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soon clips of film like this one began

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to reach him

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this unique film that we've managed to

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obtain has puzzled scientists and

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experts

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all over the world and to this day

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remains a truly

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unidentified flying object

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meanwhile the media still referred to

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them as flying sources

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when in 1955 a group of italian

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scientists and cameramen went to

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photograph an eclipse of the sun

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from three miles up they were delighted

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to find not one

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but a group of objects which they

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proceeded to photograph

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next week the world cinema screens

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carried the title three miles up

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flying sources this year

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marks the 30th anniversary of the advent

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of the flying saucer

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and that is the most unfortunate term in

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my opinion

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because it invites ridicule it opens the

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door to a great deal of

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buffoonery and lampooning it had a

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perfectly good

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history because when kenneth arnold

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described

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the motions of the discs that he had

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seen he said that

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it was like skipping a saucer over water

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but some reporter thought that was a

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very clever

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uh term and flying saucers were born but

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it

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caused a great deal of

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jokes and so forth for instance

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one common expression is if you want to

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see a flying sausage just goose a

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waitress

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what do experts believe ufos look like

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typically we're dealing with apparently

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round symmetric disc shaped objects

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definite size shape surface texture

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bigger in diameter than they are in

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thickness a protuberances that might be

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landing gears or antenna windows might

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be decorations too we don't really know

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things with definite size shape surface

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texture

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there are other reports of things with

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that are cylindrical

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long cigar-shaped objects and

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if you look at the landing cases and of

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course i'm most concerned with landing

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cases then we have something to work

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with

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these are cases landing trace cases

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where ufo is seen on or near the ground

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and after it leaves one finds physical

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changes produced in the environment

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if you look at those cases and one

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researcher has collected more than a

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thousand such cases from

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55 countries and they're similar whether

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you're dealing with sightings

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in australia and new zealand you got the

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same landing traces as in the united

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states as in south africa's in canada

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england france all over the world there

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aren't any laws of physics that stand in

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the way of flying saucers either getting

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here from other star systems or

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performing here once they're here many

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people think that you can't get here

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from there the fact of the matter is

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that there are published studies by

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reputable engineers and scientists and

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good technical journals

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showing that trips to nearby stars and i

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don't worry about the distant ones

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are feasible with reasonable round-trip

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time shorter than a person's lifetime

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without violating any of the laws of

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physics and using staged fission or

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fusion propulsion systems on both of

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which i have worked now i

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we physically tested fish and nuclear

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propulsion systems when i was at

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westinghouse

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in 1967 we tested the nrx a6

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less than three feet in diameter power

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level eleven hundred million

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watts that's roughly the same energy it

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takes to light this

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to provide the electricity for the city

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as perth the city of light was viewed by

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apollo astronauts

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other ufo sightings were being made in

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australia

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dr heineck's worldwide organization has

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a branch in sydney headed by harry

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griezberg

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and bill chalker sightings in australia

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are so numerous

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that a special computer is needed to

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[Music]

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so

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my name is andrew cole and i work with

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computers

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i got actively involved with the ufo

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investigation center

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after an experience of my own

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we started out with a very small machine

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which we were able to recover from scrap

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and make it do what we wanted to do with

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it but since then the files have grown

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and we now have several thousand files

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which we can look at and

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reference whenever we need and this

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it's hard to imagine here in the middle

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of sydney amongst all this

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modern technology how fred birmingham a

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parramatta surveyor would have reacted

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to what he saw

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he described seeing a strange aerial

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object shaped like a

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an ark moving in in a zigzag manner and

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apparently landing in nearby parramatta

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park what followed was a description of

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meeting

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a being who he called a spirit and an

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invitation

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to visit and and walk on board this

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arc paralleled uh

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many stories that are similar to it

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right around the world

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and uh you read about these stories and

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newspapers all the time

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but this story in fact is is what

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constitutes the

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first recorded place encounter in

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australia

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the date 1868. as an industrial chemist

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i specialize in the study of what we

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term

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close encounters of the third kind in

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this type of

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ufo sighting an unidentified aerial

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object

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inter-reacts with the physical

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environment thereby leaving a permanent

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physical record of its presence what is

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the

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rwaf's official view of this we visited

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them to find out

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squadronita white here with the

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department of defense here in canberra

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is your function to deal with ufo

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inquiries entirely

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uh only partly in air force office here

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i have several duties

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one of which is to deal with what we

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prefer to call in usual aerial sightings

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ah now you departed from ufo uh for any

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particular reason

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yes we think there's a fairly good

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reason um to call them ufos

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the unidentified part of that statement

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is assuming immediately that we don't

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know what it is that people are seeing

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also objects what people see are not

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necessarily objects they can be weather

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factors

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marsh gas lightning that sort of thing

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uh the main problem that we see is the

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term ufo

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immediately conjures up in people's

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minds flying sources

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little green men yeah so unusual

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sightings we prefer

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are there unusual aerial sightings that

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cannot be explained

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almost definitely yes yeah is there a

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sort of percentile there somewhere that

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i'd say about uh 90 percent we can

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explain

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uh 10 on average we can't for various

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reasons

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they may be put in too late uh

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insufficient information

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some are hoaxes but definitely some we

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cannot explain

576
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:00,799
what's the it's a fairly uh unusual

577
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,360
thing and

578
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,039
we appreciate it very much that we can

579
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,640
talk to you because it's i think fairly

580
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,760
rare that um

581
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:08,080
you give interviews at all correct thank

582
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:08,799
you

583
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,320
uh what's the official policy

584
00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:13,919
that i think we should establish yes i

585
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:16,840
think so um in the early 1950s about the

586
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,159
mid-1950s

587
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,720
um the government of australia along

588
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,400
with the governments of america

589
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:24,880
and united kingdom i thought there might

590
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,520
be some

591
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,919
threat to national security with the

592
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:29,440
sightings of all these

593
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,480
peculiar happenings so they asked the

594
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,360
iwf

595
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,000
to investigate all the reports and come

596
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:37,600
up with the facts

597
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,720
and after about 10 or 12 years

598
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:43,440
we could not produce any information

599
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,400
that suggested

600
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,840
there were any interlopers from outer

601
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:47,919
space the 10

602
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:51,120
are so unexplained we couldn't explain

603
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:52,640
but on the other hand they didn't

604
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,720
suggest any envelopers

605
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,559
the one thing of course that the ufo

606
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,240
societies

607
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,120
say to me is that they believe that the

608
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:03,039
our double af is passing information to

609
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:04,480
the usaf

610
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,520
uh and other countries is that true

611
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:09,840
not exactly we don't have any direct

612
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:10,640
liaison

613
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,000
with the usaf or the raf but certainly

614
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:15,840
we get inquiries from overseas

615
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,360
from the ufo societies from people

616
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,120
and we will answer them if they want

617
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,640
information on

618
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,559
our sightings and we'll send it to them

619
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,679
it is possible

620
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,280
some of these reports will filter their

621
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:28,960
way back to the usaf

622
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,710
that was the military air arm point of

623
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:37,200
view what about the civilian aviation

624
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,240
scene

625
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:40,159
this confidential report from a civil

626
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,279
airline captain

627
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,039
was given to us reporting an incident

628
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:45,039
that took place over western australia

629
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:49,200
in 1976 the department of transport and

630
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,919
you have no

631
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,159
known traffic in the vicinity in the met

632
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,080
office and you have no possible cause

633
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,760
for turbulence

634
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:58,080
if the turbulence we hit was caused by

635
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,960
an object i'd

636
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,600
estimate it was moving at say between

637
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:03,520
mark 2.5 to mark three

638
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,039
that's uh around 2000 miles an hour

639
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,520
passengers were hurt and the stewardess

640
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,600
was off for six months and

641
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,360
uh with an injured back and seats were

642
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,039
broken

643
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:17,039
we also spoke to a local air traffic

644
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,880
controller who wishes to remain

645
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,279
anonymous

646
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,720
i've been a radar controller for

647
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:24,400
something over 10 years

648
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,279
and during that time i've seen several

649
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:29,919
returns on the radar screen

650
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,480
they appear at an arrow and they they

651
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,600
disappear

652
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,279
and they don't appear to be able to be

653
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:36,880
explained by

654
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,159
the stock answers which we we can put to

655
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:41,600
such

656
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,400
balloons moving downwind some of these

657
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,919
returns have been moving against the

658
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,200
prevailing winds

659
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,360
nothing as dramatic as perhaps the air

660
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,760
traffic controllers in the states have

661
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,039
where they've actually been able to

662
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,760
investigate such sightings with aircraft

663
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,440
nothing as spectacular as that

664
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:02,799
nonetheless something that

665
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,789
and from kalgoorlie airport last year a

666
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:09,600
report from the

667
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:13,520
duty meteorologist the ufo passed across

668
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,240
the sky

669
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:17,039
from the northeast to the south west not

670
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,240
directly overhead

671
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,400
but a little to the south of me the

672
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,120
object looked over from my viewing angle

673
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,880
it appeared in size about half that a

674
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,799
five cent coin would be when held at

675
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,400
arm's length

676
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,080
it was white and the whiteness seemed

677
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,919
brightest at the edges which

678
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,960
weren't sharply defined there was no

679
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,640
sound and not knowing the size of the

680
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,520
object

681
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,279
it was pretty impossible to estimate its

682
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,720
altitude

683
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,440
the ufo took about 10 seconds from when

684
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,520
i first sighted it in the northeast

685
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:46,799
to when it appeared to stop in the

686
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,840
southwest at about 40 to 45 degrees

687
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:51,440
elevation

688
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:54,000
it seemed to stay there for about five

689
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:55,039
seconds

690
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,799
then it seemed to just vanish instantly

691
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,120
without moving from the spot

692
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,159
with a jumbo cargo of over 300 people

693
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,000
the responsibility on the pilot is

694
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,279
tremendous

695
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,679
do they ever see anything unusual flying

696
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,039
on eastern airlines from

697
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:12,320
l.a to new orleans and uh

698
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,520
my production designer who was on the

699
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:15,039
airplane with me was talking to the

700
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,400
stewardesses about the movie we were

701
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:17,440
making and he mentioned one of the

702
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:18,720
stewardesses that it was a

703
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,480
film about dealing you know with ufos

704
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,760
and the stories apparently went into the

705
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,960
cabin and mentioned this to the pilot

706
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,240
and all of a sudden this big steely

707
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,320
gray-haired guy with wings on his chest

708
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,159
comes out the pile of the airplane they

709
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,240
point me out he sits down next to me

710
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,799
and he said uh are you will this be a

711
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:36,080
serious movie or is this just going to

712
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,799
be a

713
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:39,440
comedy or a or our sci-fi and i said no

714
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,320
we were taking

715
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:41,600
the subject very serious and then

716
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,960
knowing that i wasn't about this laugh

717
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:44,320
in his face and ridicule what he was

718
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,120
about to tell me

719
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,880
he sat down he told me two experiences

720
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:48,640
he had while flying with eastern

721
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,760
one was a nocturnal light

722
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,919
that traveled very very quickly across

723
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,520
his glide path

724
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,880
it startled everybody because of its

725
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:58,159
speed it wasn't a shooting star it

726
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,279
wasn't

727
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,919
up there it was eye level and moving

728
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,799
very very very quickly

729
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:04,480
something that was it was passing very

730
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,430
in the shadow of some of the world's

731
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,679
tallest buildings we were told of the

732
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:13,760
most dramatic ufo experience

733
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:22,310
so we're traveling along when suddenly

734
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:22,880
our

735
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,320
very strange looking maneuvering craft

736
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,120
started following us for several miles

737
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,480
in an area called indian head this craft

738
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,440
left the highway came out i mean excuse

739
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,200
me left the top of the mountain

740
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,840
came out over the highway and stopped in

741
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,880
midair

742
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,159
and we could see it through the

743
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:45,600
binoculars a curved

744
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,640
windows red light on each side that

745
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,960
barney decided to get out and try to

746
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,120
identify this craft

747
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,320
and he saw a group of human-like figures

748
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:58,320
standing in the window looking down at

749
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,440
him

750
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,440
and he had the feeling that he was being

751
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,760
told to keep looking

752
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,399
don't be afraid no harm's going to come

753
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,360
to you

754
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,440
and at that point the craft started to

755
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,120
descend

756
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,159
bonnie was filled with fear

757
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,559
thinking he was going to be captured he

758
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,480
ran back to the car

759
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,159
and we took off speeding down the

760
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,159
highway

761
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,960
we had a series of evening sounds and a

762
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,000
few miles

763
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,240
beyond this we heard a second series of

764
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,080
beeping sounds

765
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,440
now later in our investigation of this

766
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:36,240
we begin to realize that we could not

767
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:36,960
remember

768
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,200
what had happened between the two series

769
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,880
of beeping sounds

770
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,039
when the story leaked out an eminent

771
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,960
psychologist placed betty and barney

772
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,640
into deep hypnosis

773
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:48,880
the hypnosis proved that bonnie and i

774
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,000
had been captured

775
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,520
and taken on board a ufo if

776
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,240
after the first series of beeping sounds

777
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,640
we were speeding down the highway

778
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:01,039
bonnie left the main highway onto a side

779
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,760
road

780
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,240
and then a sudden left hand turned onto

781
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,320
a very narrow

782
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,679
wood road the beings

783
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,760
whom he had seen on board the craft were

784
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,399
now standing in the middle of this road

785
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,799
and the car motor stalled the body was

786
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:18,799
trying and trying to stop the car

787
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:21,919
it wouldn't start they separated came up

788
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,360
and took us out of the car in two groups

789
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,679
they took us through a path in the woods

790
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,320
to where the craft was on the ground

791
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,279
took us on board took us into separate

792
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:34,799
rooms

793
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,480
gave us physical examinations

794
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,880
and during this examination we learned

795
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,559
they had put a cup-like

796
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:45,840
instrument on barney's abdomen now

797
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,360
later when we returned home this

798
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,399
bonnie developed a pattern of warts in a

799
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,159
perfect circle

800
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,760
and we never knew until the hypnosis

801
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,000
that that was the spot

802
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,320
where the this cup-like instrument was

803
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,080
put onto him

804
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:03,360
well you're one of the few people to

805
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:06,159
have met aliens what do they look like

806
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:09,840
they all had very very large eyes

807
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,120
very small nose thin slit for mouth

808
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,320
no hair no eyebrows eyelashes

809
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:18,559
and no this part of the ear that we

810
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,630
we did not notice teeth in fact when

811
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,440
bonnie was lying on the table looking up

812
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,520
one of them appeared to have sort of a

813
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,799
membrane

814
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:33,760
which flooded behind his lips it looked

815
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:34,840
like a thin

816
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,149
but it's not an exclusive american right

817
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,080
to see ufos

818
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,919
one of the most credible witnesses we

819
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,320
interviewed was an australian minister

820
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,279
the reverend william gill posted before

821
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:56,960
the time of his sighting to the

822
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:59,600
anglican mission in boine papua new

823
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,120
guinea

824
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,480
one night at 7 45 as he stood with 38

825
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,919
other people at the edge of the mission

826
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,279
playing field

827
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:10,399
every one of them saw the same thing can

828
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:11,600
you imagine

829
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:14,799
what it's like to look up in the sky

830
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,240
and see a totally foreign

831
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,799
looking object they are stay as just

832
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:21,919
hovering

833
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:25,120
uh not very high up maybe two or three

834
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:26,320
hundred feet

835
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:29,440
up in the air and

836
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,640
glowing and two

837
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:37,760
bipods jutting out from behind it from

838
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:42,080
underneath it and sparkling all around

839
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:46,000
and some figures up there

840
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,240
this solid looking object and

841
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:54,000
figures walking about on top

842
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:57,760
and not the slightest noise whatsoever

843
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,440
and so we waved

844
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:03,760
wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get

845
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:06,799
this object down onto the playing field

846
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:09,840
and as we waved wondering whether we'd

847
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,840
get some recognition and whether perhaps

848
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,960
they would

849
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:15,279
understand what we wanted they waved

850
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,480
back

851
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:19,200
so i asked the boy to go quickly down

852
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,080
bring me a torch

853
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,600
bring me a pencil bring me paper and

854
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,519
return as quickly as he can so that i

855
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:27,679
can get if or any other events that

856
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,080
occur

857
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:30,960
and minute by minute movements um so

858
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,519
that

859
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,360
at least we'd be able to uh to talk

860
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:35,039
about it the next day

861
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,799
and this he did very very quickly he

862
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,399
brought it back and he brought

863
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:41,120
the torch and put the torch on and shone

864
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:41,679
it

865
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:45,360
to the the craft and

866
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:48,799
as he did so he waved the

867
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:52,799
or moved the torch this way

868
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,080
and we were dumbfounded

869
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,559
when we looked at the craft and the

870
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,600
craft was

871
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,679
as though it was responding to the torch

872
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:03,120
uh it began to do this

873
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,559
too you know like a uh a disc

874
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:09,840
shaped object just uh moving the same

875
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,240
way

876
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,640
uh responding to the the movement of the

877
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,600
torch

878
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,480
next day uh just prior to the evening

879
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,320
service about seven o'clock

880
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,880
um the thing was there again it had

881
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:21,919
arrived

882
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,279
about an hour earlier and um we

883
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:28,080
all decided to uh have the normal even

884
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:29,200
song that we

885
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,200
do have on on those nights

886
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,440
because uh well the thing was out there

887
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,279
outside the church anyway and

888
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,799
we thought it wouldn't go away during

889
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,120
the service and it didn't

890
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:44,080
when we came out there it was still up

891
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,120
in the sky

892
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,519
and so for another hour or two we

893
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:49,440
watched

894
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:52,720
and then suddenly it did go

895
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,240
and there was this amazingly

896
00:34:03,430 --> 00:33:59,360
incredible speed that the

897
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:03,440
whole craft disappeared to nothing

898
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:09,430
from new guinea to china from china to

899
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,240
peru

900
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,240
native customs and beliefs reflect the

901
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,240
history of such visits from gods of the

902
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:15,760
sky

903
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,679
myth are these one jinnah from the

904
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,960
kimberley

905
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,639
how similar they are to our own

906
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,639
astronauts the ufo phenomenon didn't

907
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,639
really start in 1947

908
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,399
we have many sightings from during the

909
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,079
war before the war

910
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:32,399
in the 19th century and going back as

911
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,679
far as we have records

912
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,679
and in that regard i've been especially

913
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:36,879
fascinated by the

914
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,760
possible parallel between ufo sightings

915
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,960
and folklore

916
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,440
if you think of the the winjina drawings

917
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:45,119
for example in australia if you think of

918
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,000
similar

919
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,000
cave drawings in from china to the

920
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,079
sahara if you think of the celtic

921
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,599
traditions in brittany

922
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:54,399
in the celtic in the celtic countries if

923
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,280
you think of the

924
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,760
american indian folklore all of those

925
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,440
have certain common

926
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,599
preoccupations with beings coming from

927
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,440
the sky beings wearing some

928
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:06,720
some sort of of suit uh being

929
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,520
the the whole mythology of contact

930
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,320
between

931
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:13,359
men and another culture possibly coming

932
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,240
from space

933
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:16,240
one night about 10 years ago in florida

934
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,359
park in perth

935
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,960
paul moynik saw something he couldn't

936
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,960
quite explain paul tell me about that

937
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,359
um well it would have been around about

938
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,359
10 or 11 years ago i think it would be

939
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,359
around about 1966

940
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,800
i was going to bed it would have been

941
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:31,119
about 11 or 12 o'clock at night

942
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,400
i laid in bed looked out through the

943
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,680
window and i saw this thing going

944
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,880
backwards and forwards

945
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,640
extremely fast i couldn't work out what

946
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,000
it was so i jumped out of bed

947
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,000
got both my parents out of bed and a

948
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,119
friend who was staying with us at the

949
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,480
time so there's four of us actually

950
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,400
seeing it so i wasn't by myself

951
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,640
and we stood out here and watched it for

952
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,320
quite some time

953
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,480
and we thought what the heck is it it

954
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,720
was just too fast to be a jet

955
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,320
it was it was changing direction too

956
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,720
fast to be anything but

957
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,760
i would say ufo

958
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:02,320
in the same year this photograph claimed

959
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,680
to be a ufo

960
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,560
was taken from king's park in perth four

961
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,560
miles away from where paul's family live

962
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,760
in flurried park

963
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,680
we got a surprise because we didn't know

964
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,040
actually what it was

965
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,839
and we're puzzled and we couldn't tell

966
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,680
the shape of it because it was going too

967
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:18,720
fast

968
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,839
and it was going it was flowing actually

969
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:22,960
like a kite

970
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,400
but much faster well actually

971
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,800
when we came out here to look at it we

972
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,079
noticed we couldn't work out the

973
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,599
distance it was because it was

974
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,839
sort of about the height of those clouds

975
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,839
there and it was going between that land

976
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,720
pole

977
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,880
and that pine tree on the other side

978
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,560
there backwards and forwards the way a

979
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,000
kite would do if it was held there

980
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,160
it goes backwards and forwards like that

981
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,599
but it was not a kite because it

982
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,720
couldn't go so far

983
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,880
and it couldn't be lit up the way it was

984
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:50,400
it was yellow and was going backwards

985
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,200
and forwards

986
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:53,520
pretty fast and it will look very

987
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,240
unusual

988
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,320
you know and rather interesting but uh

989
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:57,599
of course it was fairly late

990
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,560
and uh but it looked like a ufo i really

991
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,920
did think that you know because i'd

992
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,520
never seen anything like that before

993
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:06,320
honestly what happened in the end paul

994
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,960
well

995
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,320
the fact that was going backwards and

996
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,680
forward so fast it wasn't actually

997
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:11,119
stopping at each time that it got to the

998
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:12,079
point that i wanted to

999
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,599
turn out it was just going there and

1000
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,960
straight back again so it wasn't

1001
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,839
stopping

1002
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:18,400
and after that after it had been doing

1003
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,599
this for quite some time it wasn't

1004
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,960
lighting anything up or looking at

1005
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,400
anything it didn't seem to be

1006
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,480
but it just disappeared straight away

1007
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,560
from us straight off into the north

1008
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,720
past fast yeah it just disappeared like

1009
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,160
it was going away so fast that it

1010
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:31,440
disappeared into the

1011
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,400
into the horizon sort of thing could the

1012
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:35,680
swift disappearance

1013
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,280
so typical of ufos because by pursuit

1014
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:41,940
as in this clip from 20th century fox

1015
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,230
well it was on the 6th of january 1968

1016
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,240
just by the edge of the riverbank near

1017
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,240
this golf course that i witnessed the

1018
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:57,680
landing of no less than

1019
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:01,280
two flying saucers a negative craft and

1020
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,240
a and a good

1021
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,240
guy's craft they're both good guys and

1022
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,599
bad guys

1023
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,560
and the whole thing started off when the

1024
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,079
state electricity commission

1025
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,720
built a 66 000 volt power station next

1026
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,560
door to my home

1027
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,400
and these attracted the flying sources

1028
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,000
which came and had a look at it

1029
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,760
while it was in its construction stages

1030
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,680
and when it was switched on especially

1031
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,000
they came around in droves measuring the

1032
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:26,240
magnetic fields around it

1033
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,160
in those days in 1968 we had essendon

1034
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:32,160
airport in melbourne

1035
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,839
tula marine hadn't been built and

1036
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:36,000
aircraft took off like flocks of birds

1037
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,440
all over the place

1038
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,240
and this particular plane had to bank on

1039
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,400
this evening the sixth of the first 68

1040
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,640
in order to miss this flying saucer

1041
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,200
which then after it left the paper mills

1042
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,800
trundled off across the sky

1043
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,000
over here to the queue boulevard so i

1044
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:54,560
had my camera loaded up with 400 asa

1045
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,280
black and white

1046
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,240
eight millimeter film and i took it and

1047
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,000
followed this ufo

1048
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,720
down by the roadside by the river and i

1049
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,200
got some spectacular film of a landing i

1050
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,040
had a sudden impression to look up

1051
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,880
and lo and behold this light in the sky

1052
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,640
was getting bigger and bigger

1053
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:13,680
and i realized it was going to land

1054
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,400
and it did land

1055
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,800
but i was so surprised because watching

1056
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,200
a ufo land isn't any normal event i was

1057
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,040
so surprised i didn't get a picture of

1058
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,240
the first landing

1059
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,000
and just as well because this was a

1060
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,839
landing by the men in black

1061
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,599
what we know is the negative flying

1062
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,160
sources but after i'd recovered from my

1063
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,839
surprise i did

1064
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,880
get enough gumption to photograph the

1065
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,520
second

1066
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,079
ufo which came from ashtar command which

1067
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,040
was in hot pursuit of this first ufo

1068
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,359
and this is the one that landed uh in

1069
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:49,440
the movie film i took

1070
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:52,480
now ten years later this is the spot

1071
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,000
where the flying saucer landed and i

1072
00:40:02,630 --> 00:39:59,440
revisited the location and this is

1073
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,640
an approximate angle of what i shot on

1074
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:03,760
my movie film

1075
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,870
this picture was taken the morning after

1076
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,760
the landing

1077
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,240
it left a burnt circle 60 feet big in

1078
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,520
the grass

1079
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,839
this second picture was taken seven

1080
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:18,960
years later

1081
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:22,079
of the same burn circle and as you see

1082
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:29,510
well now let's take a look at the burnt

1083
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:30,079
circle

1084
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:32,960
10 years later and see whether or not

1085
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,190
yes well this is the burnt circle

1086
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:53,520
a lot of flying saucer landings leave

1087
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:54,800
burnt circles

1088
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,079
and uh nothing has grown on this one

1089
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:00,160
since the original landing on that

1090
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,520
particular night

1091
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,280
and over the years we've come back to

1092
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:05,280
the boulevard and checked this area and

1093
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:12,230
along with shaver colin cameron claims

1094
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,599
to have had contact with the

1095
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:16,079
subterranean darrows and terrors

1096
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,359
here in australia this belief should not

1097
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,280
be dismissed too lightly

1098
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,520
ray palmer came up with some astonishing

1099
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,440
details about chavers experience

1100
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,760
i think mr shaver well he originally

1101
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:29,359
claimed that he spent eight years

1102
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:30,960
in these caves with these daryl and

1103
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,480
terrell people t

1104
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,920
being me being integrative and

1105
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,560
i discovered later much to my

1106
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,920
embarrassment

1107
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,520
uh that he had spent these eight years

1108
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:43,680
in the ipsilanti state hospital for the

1109
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,160
insane in michigan

1110
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,079
i contacted the doctors and they said he

1111
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,839
was catatonic

1112
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,480
he lived in a world even had to feed him

1113
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,200
in this imaginary world of his

1114
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:58,000
except for one thing when kenneth arnold

1115
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,640
uh

1116
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,119
saw the flying saucers i put together

1117
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,480
two and two and i said

1118
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,319
is the man catatonic or is there

1119
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,400
something else going on

1120
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,640
but i got 50 000 letters we ordinarily

1121
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,240
get 50 or 60 a month

1122
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:12,079
from people who said mr shaver is

1123
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,280
telling the truth

1124
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,800
and not only that i have been in the

1125
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,119
caves too and i hear the voices

1126
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,119
i've been hearing these voices now for

1127
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,200
oh for about the next seven years

1128
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:22,960
onwards every night

1129
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,839
and uh until i started taking some

1130
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,280
infrared film

1131
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:30,480
which i'd read in a book by um i can't

1132
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:31,599
think of his name now

1133
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:35,520
but trevor james and

1134
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:38,079
he had at the suggestion of ashtar space

1135
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:38,960
command

1136
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,680
taken infrared photography and got these

1137
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,599
invisible flying sources

1138
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:45,760
so i thought well as these entities were

1139
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,839
invisible now bothering me i'd try some

1140
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,720
infrared film

1141
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:50,480
too and that's where i got these

1142
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:57,270
and after those nights what was

1143
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:58,720
happening to me was i was starting to

1144
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,160
hear these voices just like shaver was

1145
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,760
saying i was going to die saying they

1146
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,200
were going to get me

1147
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,480
saying they wanted to stop me

1148
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,800
researching into flying sources

1149
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,800
and generally trying to terrify me but i

1150
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,240
was never scared throughout the whole

1151
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,319
thing this is what's kept me going

1152
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,720
brilliant brains including nobel prize

1153
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,240
winners around the world

1154
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:21,440
are still puzzling not are there ufos

1155
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:22,000
but

1156
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,520
what are ufos we talked to klaus nobel

1157
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,839
himself

1158
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:29,119
it's something that man cannot

1159
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:32,880
comprehend i think it's very likely that

1160
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:36,720
there are unexplained phenomena and

1161
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:40,000
i certainly many times hoped that they

1162
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,280
would come and visit us

1163
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,480
now and tell us here on earth that

1164
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,560
we are in the process of doing things

1165
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,760
that are not really

1166
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,680
in our best interest because right now

1167
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,599
it seems like you're self-destructive

1168
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:53,440
and i would like to have them to come

1169
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,829
my personal opinion today is that the

1170
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,359
flying saucers

1171
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,359
exist in our atmosphere they are

1172
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:06,880
intelligently controlled

1173
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:10,079
that they are they do convey or carry

1174
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,280
uh people just as real as you and i

1175
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,200
except in a different sense personally

1176
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,560
i'd say i'm an agnostic

1177
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,480
if one can apply that term to the

1178
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,000
subject

1179
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,280
i've seen many reports some of them

1180
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,319
are definitely weird

1181
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,200
but until i see one i don't believe but

1182
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:30,960
i'm not going to say they're not there

1183
00:44:34,829 --> 00:44:33,839
well now what are we to think of this

1184
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:34,839
kind of

1185
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:38,800
phenomenon people claiming to see

1186
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,000
things such as i did there are 38 of us

1187
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,720
and we all believe that we saw us but of

1188
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,079
course we

1189
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,079
don't expect other people to believe us

1190
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,240
if we if they don't want to

1191
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,160
and i have very little time with the

1192
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:54,880
attitudes of traditional science

1193
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,520
which behave much more like religious

1194
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,680
dictatorships in many instances

1195
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:01,839
than they do like open-minded scientific

1196
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,640
communities we have to have 15 million

1197
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:06,720
witnesses before anybody's going to look

1198
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:09,280
into the problem seriously

1199
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,680
but this is utterly fantastic this is

1200
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,119
more fantastic than

1201
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,359
than flying saucers or or people from

1202
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:17,040
venus or anything as far as i'm

1203
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,000
concerned

1204
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,480
if 15 million people did collectively

1205
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,920
see something like this

1206
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,160
flying over a major city is here in

1207
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,920
perth australia

1208
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,920
experience leads us to believe that

1209
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,680
there would be a complete breakdown of

1210
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,280
the social order

1211
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,800
like the riots in new york when the

1212
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,400
lights went out

1213
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:37,200
in the mgm film soylent green we get a

1214
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:46,770
taste of the chaos the future may hold

1215
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,560
[Music]

1216
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,400
i wouldn't put it past this government

1217
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,400
that a cosmic watergate has

1218
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,920
been underway for the last you know 25

1219
00:46:02,630 --> 00:45:59,040
years

1220
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,640
at the same time i don't think it's uh

1221
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:04,560
i think as we're growing up or from the

1222
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:05,680
government's point of view

1223
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:08,480
uh i think we've you know we're we've

1224
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,760
been adults uh for

1225
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,119
hundreds of years but from the

1226
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,480
government's point of view we're still

1227
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,240
growing up and eventually they might

1228
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:15,520
want to tell us something about what

1229
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,160
they've uh

1230
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:19,200
discovered over over the decades there

1231
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,400
is a rumor

1232
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,160
that was in u.s news world report a

1233
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:23,599
number of months ago that

1234
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,960
jimmy carter might make a uh

1235
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:28,960
make some unsettling disclosures about

1236
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,000
the ufo phenomena sometime in december

1237
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,920
uh it's pretty timing i opened my movie

1238
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,520
in december so it's perfect timing

1239
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,680
there is a shyness and a reluctance on

1240
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,040
the part of many witnesses and

1241
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,079
understandably so against reporting

1242
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,119
because too many have been ridiculed

1243
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,800
and the life has been made somewhat

1244
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:48,240
miserable for them but at the center for

1245
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:49,680
ufo studies

1246
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:53,920
both in the states and in australia

1247
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,359
is our standard practice never to use a

1248
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:59,440
person's name without their specific

1249
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,319
permission

1250
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,520
so if any of our viewers have

1251
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,680
a what they feel is a valid ufo

1252
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:07,839
experience and have not reported it

1253
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:09,280
by all means i would say it is your

1254
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,079
scientific duty to report this

1255
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,560
and with the assurance that your names

1256
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,440
will not be used without your permission

1257
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,000
a graduate nuclear physicist in america

1258
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,079
felt it his duty to report a sighting he

1259
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,800
shared with 12 other people

1260
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,800
perhaps he will prove in the light of

1261
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:27,920
future events

1262
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,960
to be the most credible witness of all

1263
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,119
this rare official document was signed

1264
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,720
by the then governor of the state of

1265
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,760
georgia

1266
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:38,400
now the president of the united states

1267
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,230
as we were about to finish this

1268
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,319
documentary another intriguing

1269
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,720
explanation of ufos was given to us

1270
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,680
by an ex-fbi informer now living in

1271
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,040
perth

1272
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,680
a research physicist what he has to say

1273
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,000
is what he believes to be the truth

1274
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,720
it is so staggering we felt we should

1275
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:02,000
extend this program

1276
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,790
this scientist believes that man holds

1277
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,480
the secret of anti-gravity

1278
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,599
and can produce flying sources at will

1279
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:23,760
we interviewed him at a private house in

1280
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,910
well originally i didn't start to

1281
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,559
investigate ufo phenomena

1282
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,599
um i suppose i started studying the

1283
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:37,839
physics that led me to this point

1284
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,599
62 to 64 at the united states air force

1285
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,200
academy as a cadet

1286
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,680
and a special government program as

1287
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,720
you're aware the

1288
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,280
air force academy is outside norad in

1289
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,880
the colorado mountains it's a few miles

1290
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,720
up the hill from it

1291
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,119
and i was trained there with 180

1292
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:56,720
somewhat other characters

1293
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,839
to do research in areas of

1294
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,359
electrogravitics later we were

1295
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:05,040
programmed with libraries of information

1296
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,319
by

1297
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,079
slides flashed up on a wall at the rate

1298
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:10,079
of 200 pages a second we couldn't even

1299
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:11,599
read them but they were being implanted

1300
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,400
in our minds

1301
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,720
subliminally it was a very classified

1302
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,640
project and for the

1303
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,000
most part of it while we were being

1304
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,920
programmed we weren't aware

1305
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,520
of what was going on we had normal

1306
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,520
classes in the physics and

1307
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:25,200
calculus and the sort of things but this

1308
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,800
stuff was being programmed in

1309
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,119
so that we had to assimilate it or bring

1310
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,960
it to our conscious mind over the months

1311
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,240
and years it followed in

1312
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,359
dreams and kind of

1313
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,800
daydream periods during the day when

1314
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,599
we're awake but um

1315
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:42,319
i left the academy in 64. i had a top

1316
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,440
secret security clearance with the

1317
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,559
government and then eventually that

1318
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,079
lapsed to secret

1319
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,680
and i did a bit of time in the reserves

1320
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:49,280
air force reserves with the strategic

1321
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,480
air command outside of

1322
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,520
fort worth and then um

1323
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,839
i proceeded to do private research in

1324
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,280
this electric gravity

1325
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,920
thinking that i had cracked the secret

1326
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,520
of anti-gravity all by myself and

1327
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:03,280
jumping up and down my father's labs and

1328
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:03,920
mines

1329
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,880
in dallas and um one day i was

1330
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,559
approached by the government

1331
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:11,520
and a kind of a adversary from dr edward

1332
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,319
teller's office uh dr james r maxfield

1333
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,920
when he told me what i'd been doing in

1334
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:18,079
my lab and the details of stuff i hadn't

1335
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:22,079
written down or told anybody he knew and

1336
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,599
he had other people like myself

1337
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:25,200
sponsored in this kind of research

1338
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,240
around the country

1339
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,680
and that was the first time that i knew

1340
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,839
that the us government was actively

1341
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,280
involved had been and was still

1342
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,920
actively involved in the control of

1343
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:35,280
gravity with electricity

1344
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:40,319
and who did this man represent well his

1345
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:41,359
job

1346
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,119
director of the james r maxfield

1347
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,800
radiation research clinic in dallas

1348
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,160
texas the

1349
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,640
same max phillip invented the irradiated

1350
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,680
thread

1351
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,040
treatment for cancer various organs

1352
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:57,599
and if you look at this little dossier

1353
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,200
that's in the who's who

1354
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,200
you find that he was on the president's

1355
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,880
national security advisory board

1356
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,200
which is uh really a rather important

1357
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,400
log in the u.s intelligence system

1358
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,680
kissinger would have been on the same

1359
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,920
rank um

1360
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,920
you'll find that he was closely

1361
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,760
affiliated with dr edward teller who was

1362
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:17,680
the

1363
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:26,480
don't know where he still is

1364
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,680
and that he had worked on a similar

1365
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,760
project with him in fact the letter that

1366
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,400
you and i

1367
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:32,559
viewed earlier from my files from dr

1368
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,160
maxfield to this government and to sir

1369
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,760
john williams

1370
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,559
did mention that fact if you recall so

1371
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,400
what happened to you then

1372
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,520
well um they suggested that i finish my

1373
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,040
research in australia

1374
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,079
i wasn't enthralled with the idea but dr

1375
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,960
maxfield told me that i would be paid to

1376
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,599
come down

1377
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,520
and that i was to call the australian

1378
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,960
consulate in

1379
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:57,920
san francisco and ask for bob gray and

1380
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,559
tell him that

1381
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,480
in these words that i was a member of

1382
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,000
maxwell's party

1383
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,240
at the same time that uh i was being

1384
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,920
approached by dr maxfield's party to

1385
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,680
come down here and finish my research

1386
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,760
i'd been approached already by the fbi

1387
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:11,040
and was working for them as an

1388
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:12,480
informant that doesn't mean that you're

1389
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,559
a trained agent it just means that

1390
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,000
you're somewhere in industry where they

1391
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,760
need someone they don't have time

1392
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,920
to get them in there informing on what

1393
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,599
well the particular thing i was to

1394
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,280
inform on was the comings and goings of

1395
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:24,880
various people from the white house

1396
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,599
to my group of companies in dallas and

1397
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,040
also their connection to israel in the

1398
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,359
middle east political situation

1399
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:34,400
and and i did my job rather well just

1400
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,040
reporting

1401
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:37,440
who came and went and various amounts of

1402
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,559
money and things that i didn't know that

1403
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,760
transferred

1404
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:41,760
um there were about seven or eight

1405
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,839
hundred of us in the united states that

1406
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,079
were

1407
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,000
employed by the fbi in this manner i

1408
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:49,680
didn't take money i took information in

1409
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,800
exchange

1410
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:53,119
but um at any rate they came and told me

1411
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,079
the fbi did that

1412
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,400
i had been compromised by a break-in in

1413
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,079
one of their agencies in louisiana or

1414
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,760
someplace like that

1415
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:02,160
and that i was going to get shot and

1416
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,680
wish they'd explained to me at the

1417
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,839
beginning the the risks involved but

1418
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,920
i thought they were joking until i went

1419
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:09,760
back to the uh

1420
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,119
the office the computer division there

1421
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,440
in dallas and was sacked given 30

1422
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,599
minutes to clean up my desk and leave

1423
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:20,319
and uh by an old friend of mine and so

1424
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:20,880
he

1425
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,160
spy ring and all kinds of stuff

1426
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,559
and so i left and in fact i didn't have

1427
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:28,079
my last meeting with the fbi

1428
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,359
and i didn't have my last meeting with

1429
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,280
dr maxfield i just uh

1430
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,359
bundled a few things in the family into

1431
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,520
a plane and headed for australia

1432
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:38,000
i didn't make it and i was quite glad to

1433
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,280
and

1434
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,920
kept a very low profile for seven months

1435
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,960
but

1436
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,559
i continued to do my research and i

1437
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:46,079
wrote dr maxfield a letter and that was

1438
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,440
perhaps my mistake

1439
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:49,760
i said look i've done it i've figured

1440
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,040
out the wave

1441
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,520
equation that we were looking for and

1442
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:55,040
again in my ignorance i didn't realize

1443
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,400
how much work had already been done and

1444
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,920
gone before me i was just

1445
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,760
kind of on the periphery or the edge of

1446
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,040
this whole development

1447
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,520
that's a device to be able to make

1448
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,599
things like flying sources fly is it

1449
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:08,800
yes also it's a device to store um

1450
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:12,640
energy in the form of motion like of a

1451
00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:16,160
a small star or a big atom it's called

1452
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,000
this is a long word an mhd plasma

1453
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,200
magnetohydrodynamic plasma

1454
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,040
like ball lightning and it contains

1455
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,960
itself but it's a way to turn

1456
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,559
all sorts of electricity into a high

1457
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:28,160
voltage battery

1458
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,599
now this would have been an immediate

1459
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:31,599
solution for the middle east uh

1460
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,440
oil blockade at that time now um

1461
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,599
i wrote the letter in good faith trying

1462
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,040
to say look we can

1463
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,799
stop the threat of war in the middle

1464
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,640
east by using this as an alternate

1465
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:44,319
energy source it's very portable it's

1466
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,440
non-polluting

1467
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,200
it had some by-product radiation

1468
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,440
problems but things we could solve

1469
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,079
it'll be cleaner than fishing or fusion

1470
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,000
now

1471
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:56,240
that's when um people here in this

1472
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,520
country uh

1473
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,200
at the aeronautical research labs and

1474
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,799
politicians started to get a hold of me

1475
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:02,079
azo contacted me

1476
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,359
good grief an odd infant item a chain of

1477
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,119
intelligence people including two cia

1478
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,799
people from the states

1479
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,640
and then the fbi eventually started

1480
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,880
looking for me in this country and

1481
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:14,240
that again was after the intelligence

1482
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:17,440
war over there after hoover died

1483
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:19,839
and i was unable to finish my research

1484
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,520
in this country in fact i met many

1485
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,119
dead ends and government departments and

1486
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,559
research facilities where they told me

1487
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,520
privately

1488
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:28,000
like uh dr tom keeble in the

1489
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:29,599
aeronautical research labs he told me

1490
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:30,000
yes

1491
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,440
we know about the flying saucers your

1492
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:33,040
countrymen have built in england and

1493
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,079
canada

1494
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,760
and in fact we have film records of them

1495
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,280
here in the r double af

1496
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:39,920
files i said i want to stop you there

1497
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,319
yeah

1498
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,559
are you saying stan that there are such

1499
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,440
things as

1500
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,680
let's call them flying sources but they

1501
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,240
are built on earth

1502
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,960
yes that doesn't mean that i rule out

1503
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,880
the possibility of other

1504
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,960
flying devices or intelligent beings

1505
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:57,040
visiting the planet either from

1506
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,799
the oceanic bottoms or deeper areas or

1507
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,280
from other areas in space but i am

1508
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,960
positive that we have the technology i

1509
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:06,240
can even name it the companies and

1510
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,440
people involved

1511
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,240
in making high-speed electric aircraft

1512
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:12,000
that do look strange enough like a

1513
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,359
saucer

1514
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:15,680
what sort of proof can one furnish for

1515
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,400
that

1516
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,640
oh good greeting uh the briefcase i've

1517
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,839
got down here is uh

1518
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:22,160
full of documented evidence that is not

1519
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,040
all secret

1520
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:26,400
um if you go to uh

1521
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,000
to the um the records of the new york

1522
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,680
herald tribune the newspapers now

1523
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:33,520
defunct i think it's being stored in the

1524
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:37,760
wisconsin um state historical society

1525
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,720
uh and look for november 20th 21st and

1526
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,640
22nd 1955.

1527
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:44,480
there are three articles in the series

1528
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,119
on anti-gravity and the various

1529
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,480
companies and people involved in the

1530
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:50,240
research of the united states japan

1531
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,960
europe

1532
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,040
the list is like a who's who of nuclear

1533
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:55,280
physics it was written by ansel e

1534
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,160
talbert the

1535
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,760
science and aviation editor for the new

1536
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,920
york herald tribune at that time

1537
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,680
you can look there you can look in the

1538
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,599
electrical engineering index for that

1539
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:05,760
period between 55 and 58

1540
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:09,839
that's a long time ago yes 57 about

1541
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,720
march the security curtain went down and

1542
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,240
there were at that time over 100

1543
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:16,319
published universities and organizations

1544
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,359
including the

1545
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:18,880
gravity research foundation which is

1546
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,520
still operational in gravity village

1547
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,119
in the united states there were over 100

1548
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,559
of these things operating to

1549
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,960
develop gravity the control of it as a

1550
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:28,640
power source and communication

1551
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,240
and locomotion etc now in 57 the blanket

1552
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:33,760
went down to security

1553
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:36,559
and there was no more reported news on

1554
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:36,880
it

1555
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:41,359
research avenue that everybody had

1556
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,319
stopped working on it

1557
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:44,000
or that it was highly successful and

1558
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:45,119
there'd been a few breakthroughs there

1559
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,720
was just nothing it went quiet

1560
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:48,000
and if you go back in the period and

1561
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:49,680
look you will see that for a number of

1562
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,079
years

1563
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,079
after 57 there was no mention of this

1564
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,760
sort of research in print

1565
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:55,200
behind the scenes there was a lot of

1566
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:56,960
discussion and even walt disney's

1567
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,920
sorry mgm studios made the movie the

1568
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,040
forbidden planet

1569
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,520
revealing at that time a lot as it were

1570
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,200
fiction of the technology

1571
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,359
and why it had to be covered up i think

1572
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:09,040
walter pigeon started and he did a good

1573
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:10,079
job

1574
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:12,079
prepare your mind for a new scale of

1575
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,349
7 800 levels

1576
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:53,200
basically they decided that mankind

1577
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,960
wasn't ready for yet because he

1578
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:56,799
proceeded to misuse it like he had the

1579
00:59:02,789 --> 00:58:59,280
atom or the hydrogen bomb

1580
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,799
now recent evidence is very hard to get

1581
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,880
however in this country a little leak

1582
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:06,240
occurred over here with william h

1583
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:14,069
1973 or four i believe

1584
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,079
i can't remember now and he um published

1585
00:59:22,030 --> 00:59:19,440
an article on pine gap

1586
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,040
and how nixon had intended to use it in

1587
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,680
1975

1588
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,400
to solve the energy crisis by announcing

1589
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,920
a new method of electromagnetic

1590
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,880
propulsion

1591
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:31,040
which would be based from the pine gap

1592
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,000
facility

1593
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:34,160
well now from my knowledge of the of the

1594
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:36,000
technology what small knowledge you do

1595
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:36,559
have from my

1596
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,760
little viewpoint uh pine gap has all of

1597
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,359
the inherent uh

1598
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:43,760
descriptions necessary for a high

1599
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:44,799
voltage

1600
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:47,520
low frequency power broadcast station to

1601
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:49,280
broadcast electricity

1602
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:51,280
to various receivers like cars and

1603
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,400
submarines and

1604
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:54,559
aircraft that are tuned to that power

1605
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,599
station

1606
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:58,240
it's just a more efficient version of

1607
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,680
the exmouth facility here at the

1608
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:01,599
northwest cape

1609
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:04,640
um so it's right here on our doorstep is

1610
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:04,960
it

1611
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:07,520
oh yes the big question you have to ask

1612
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:08,720
yourself

1613
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:11,920
guys why would such a thing be kept

1614
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,400
secret

1615
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,720
i mean people at the levels that are

1616
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,599
covering it up

1617
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,760
i i know some of them personally and

1618
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:18,720
they aren't

1619
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:21,440
in my opinion villains they're very uh

1620
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:22,720
sincere humanists

1621
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,920
they are trying to solve planet earth uh

1622
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:26,720
trying to bring

1623
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:29,440
unity their way you speak of them as

1624
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,559
though they were

1625
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,319
they were collective rather than

1626
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,160
singular is that right yes

1627
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:37,200
um dr kiebel as i mentioned before in

1628
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:38,559
melbourne at the aerodynamic research

1629
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,599
lab tried to explain to me about

1630
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:44,640
they he mentioned we as though it was

1631
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:48,720
a an organization a group of scientists

1632
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:51,520
academics industrialistic he couldn't be

1633
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,480
exact now

1634
01:00:56,309 --> 01:00:54,079
he never put a name to it but i said

1635
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:56,319
well do you mean like a club and he said

1636
01:01:01,670 --> 01:01:00,160
yes but no we are aware of these

1637
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,680
problems and we're trying to solve them

1638
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,319
in the best way we know how

1639
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,160
granted there are things that should be

1640
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,319
kept from the public eye

1641
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,400
until we do have some sort of a unity in

1642
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,160
the world economy

1643
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:15,599
uh but i think the manner which has been

1644
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,319
gone about is most unfortunate i would

1645
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:20,880
not have taken the same tag myself

1646
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,680
the power politics involved in keeping

1647
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:25,280
the secrets that we now have across the

1648
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,319
planet

1649
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:29,440
have allowed well in my opinion groups

1650
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,480
that aren't

1651
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,799
capable of handling uh control the

1652
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,880
planet to take power

1653
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:37,040
so what basically you're saying and

1654
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,319
correct me if i'm wrong

1655
01:01:41,829 --> 01:01:40,960
is that we've got a situation where you

1656
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:41,839
maintain

1657
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,040
various countries have perhaps

1658
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:47,040
a top level intelligentsia who are in

1659
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:48,559
possession of a common

1660
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,079
set of facts which which transpose

1661
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,680
country boundaries now and it's a

1662
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,000
worldwide sort of yes

1663
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,000
in russia uh involved in this would be

1664
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:59,760
the russian physicist who's been in the

1665
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,640
news recently

1666
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,240
with the civil rights movement's dr

1667
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,000
andrei sakharov

1668
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,960
also in his country an ex-kgb agent some

1669
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:09,119
25 years but a physicist

1670
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,559
and a former hydrogen bomb project

1671
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:15,359
development engineer or sorry physicist

1672
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:15,680
is

1673
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,880
dr bruno porta ponte corvo working on

1674
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,960
gravity engines in siberia

1675
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:23,280
um as i told you in the states it was uh

1676
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:24,319
dr teller

1677
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,559
and affiliates there i don't know all of

1678
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,680
their names

1679
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:30,000
but these people have all been working

1680
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:31,359
together as

1681
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,119
scientists who go above governments and

1682
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,880
look they're sincere i can't blame them

1683
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,400
for doing this it's just that they have

1684
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,920
lost control of what they tried to set

1685
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:40,799
up

1686
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:44,240
has that association got a name

1687
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:46,400
i don't think so when i worked with the

1688
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,680
fbi

1689
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:49,200
there was a political and financial

1690
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:50,960
institution that i was

1691
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,359
ordered to investigate with many other

1692
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:54,960
agents and it was called the

1693
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:57,599
the illuminati which is a general term

1694
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,599
meaning the enlightened or the

1695
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,640
wise ones um it

1696
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,160
the investigation this led me to the

1697
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,839
council on foreign relations and to the

1698
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,720
club of rome

1699
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,640
which are linked by joint directorships

1700
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,280
under carroll wilson

1701
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,280
this is again another tale but you put

1702
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:15,359
yourself in the scientist position

1703
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,640
in the mid 50s what you see

1704
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,039
is that you've got a technology that if

1705
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,440
announced to the public would cause mass

1706
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,319
reactions in the economy in social moves

1707
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,920
and cultural reactions that could

1708
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:29,440
probably bring about the demise of the

1709
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:30,000
whole human

1710
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,079
civilization a simple example would be

1711
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:34,079
this as a scientist you come out in the

1712
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,599
mid 50s and you say

1713
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:38,000
we have a process which will allow us to

1714
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:39,039
get rid of

1715
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:42,880
engine hence the petrol

1716
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,240
hence all the dependent industries

1717
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,319
it'll be available for you in 24 months

1718
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,079
time it only cost you

1719
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,640
three or four thousand dollars now what

1720
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,160
kind he's right mind would buy a new

1721
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:56,319
petrol engine car if he could have one

1722
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:57,920
of those new ones in two years that

1723
01:04:00,470 --> 01:04:00,160
don't need roads and run on electricity

1724
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,480
and

1725
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,359
no petrol necessary they'd all stop

1726
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,960
their buying trends which would then

1727
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:06,240
collapse the economies that would be

1728
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,559
building the other one in 24 months

1729
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:11,280
if you had a central world authority

1730
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:14,000
like dr pachay's club of rome group want

1731
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:15,760
then if you announced when you

1732
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:16,960
controlled all the nations and the

1733
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,799
economies you announced and said

1734
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:21,359
uh we've got a new car that does this

1735
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,880
nobody panic because they know that if

1736
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:24,480
their industry became redundant they

1737
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:25,839
would be retrained and paid while

1738
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:26,480
they're doing it

1739
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,880
in some other support industry we don't

1740
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,520
have that

1741
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,200
facility on the planet at the moment

1742
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:33,200
because we're greatly disordered

1743
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,720
and many of the cultures fight against

1744
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,799
each other scientists industrialist

1745
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:38,079
engineers found this problem in the

1746
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,280
mid-50s

1747
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:40,880
now we're playing their part so we sit

1748
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:42,799
here and we say how do we get

1749
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,520
world unity the united nations the

1750
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:47,200
league of nations had failed

1751
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,559
you couldn't get any two or three of

1752
01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:50,400
them to agree to turn their sovereignty

1753
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:53,280
over to a third party you couldn't come

1754
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:54,000
out and

1755
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,839
field an army from the united nations or

1756
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,520
league of nations or any anywhere

1757
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,680
even a corporate army until the people

1758
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,359
of earth you're taking over

1759
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,960
as some people have suggested the

1760
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,480
multinationals might do

1761
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:06,240
you can't do that because the mass

1762
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:07,599
resistance would be

1763
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,280
worse than the french resistance to

1764
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:11,200
hitler it'd destroy the unity they were

1765
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,400
trying to get

1766
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:15,119
so by peaceful discussion over the

1767
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,000
conference table

1768
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:19,200
and by force it wasn't possible yet as

1769
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:20,640
the scientific community looked at this

1770
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,599
new technology

1771
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,359
it reached into all human endeavor

1772
01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:25,039
touched many points of life

1773
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,920
they said look if we develop this

1774
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,599
completely develop it into a social

1775
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:32,240
technological integrated model

1776
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:34,160
away from the rest of people and islands

1777
01:05:38,069 --> 01:05:35,680
or in back rooms however we do it keep

1778
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:38,079
it quite even from the politicians

1779
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,720
at some point later after 1956 57 58

1780
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,640
some point later we'll have it ready to

1781
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:47,039
announce to the world as a global system

1782
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:49,039
then all we've got to do is figure out

1783
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,200
how to convince them to give it a try

1784
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,520
in unity right well this this was 20

1785
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,640
years ago

1786
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,640
are we now saying that this is

1787
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,079
approaching the time

1788
01:06:02,069 --> 01:06:00,559
i think we are and it's not like some

1789
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:02,079
prophecy or something it's

1790
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:05,119
just looking at events in the media for

1791
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:05,839
the first

1792
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:07,440
10 years of that 20-year period you're

1793
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,359
talking about people that saw ufos or

1794
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:10,880
flying saucers were nuts

1795
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,240
they were played that way in the media

1796
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,559
it was a bad thing to even talk about it

1797
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,559
now toward the end of this 20-year

1798
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,400
period if you see one

1799
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:19,839
you're a great guy in the neighborhood

1800
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:21,200
everybody wants to talk to everybody

1801
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,319
wants to know you

1802
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:24,319
pilots physicists all kinds of people

1803
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:26,400
are coming forward now presidents

1804
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,839
dictators yes i've seen a ufo now

1805
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,839
to me the shift in the public

1806
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,520
conditioning

1807
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,480
medium is to get people ready for the

1808
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:38,079
announcement of the new technology

1809
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:39,599
now scientists aren't going to come out

1810
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:40,799
industrious aren't going to come out and

1811
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,480
say okay here it is children

1812
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:45,039
here you go the new model for planet

1813
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,200
earth using this technology

1814
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:50,160
must be independent of any established

1815
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:51,440
government or order

1816
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:54,000
it can't be russian or capitalist or

1817
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,599
dictatorial it's got to be independent

1818
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,960
and the only way you can do it is a

1819
01:07:00,150 --> 01:06:58,880
an external culture whether it be called

1820
01:07:01,829 --> 01:07:00,160
from the ocean bottom

1821
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,839
uh whether it's from the bermuda

1822
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:03,280
triangle or whether it's from outer

1823
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,160
space

1824
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:06,319
they have got to see it in this way so

1825
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,760
that for a short time

1826
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,760
the masses will overlook their cultural

1827
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:11,200
differences to unite

1828
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:14,799
to form this one world order then

1829
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:16,160
after seven or eight years if you can

1830
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,680
hold the rules that long you explain to

1831
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,520
them this is how we brought peace

1832
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,599
i still maintain i don't think that

1833
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,039
it'll work because at the top

1834
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,079
these organizations are fighting

1835
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,480
i'd like to ask you a direct question

1836
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:30,319
you work in the field of

1837
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:33,680
anti-gravity could you make what we call

1838
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,760
a flying saucer oh yes with adequate

1839
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:37,680
funds and time sure

1840
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,680
i'd still be doing it for the research

1841
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:41,359
organizations if i hadn't differed

1842
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:42,720
in philosophy that's where i got in

1843
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,559
trouble because i stood up and said why

1844
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:45,760
are you doing this

1845
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,920
and it wasn't for me to know ufos

1846
01:07:53,349 --> 01:07:51,440
if they don't exist or these electric

1847
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:53,359
flying saucers

1848
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,559
if they don't exist in our current

1849
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,480
technology i'll give it to the world

1850
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,160
i'll be a hero but i'll tell you right

1851
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,400
now i don't need to do that

1852
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:03,520
it's already done this does not mean

1853
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:06,640
that in the past before 47 49 whenever

1854
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,200
the first

1855
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,760
flying saucers were supposedly cited on

1856
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,359
this planet does not mean

1857
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:13,760
that the time before that was to be

1858
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:14,400
explained by

1859
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,359
earth technology it wasn't even back in

1860
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:19,440
the bible in

1861
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:22,560
moses encounter with god in the flaming

1862
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,679
bush and

1863
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,440
don't walk on this ground with your

1864
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,040
shoes on take one off it sounded like he

1865
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,120
was in a field at any rate

1866
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,480
ezekiel's flaming chariot you go back

1867
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:34,159
thousands of years and you find we had

1868
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:35,839
encounters with things that could only

1869
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,600
be explained in their own words as being

1870
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,359
from the heavens

1871
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,279
in the last two thousand years after the

1872
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:43,279
birth of christ we find that

1873
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,159
these encounter cases were many of them

1874
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:48,000
more bizarre where they didn't have the

1875
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:49,120
same

1876
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,759
good side to them people suffered

1877
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:52,719
headaches

1878
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:55,359
some cases disappearance livestock were

1879
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:56,880
cut apart and the blood drained out of

1880
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,239
them you see it quite frequently now

1881
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,719
it seems as though the more recent

1882
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:02,000
contact cases from these

1883
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,279
extraterrestrial origins

1884
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,239
have been malevolent or bad whereas the

1885
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,759
old testament versions were

1886
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,679
benevolent or good we do have the

1887
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:11,279
technology now

1888
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,040
to give ufos with electric

1889
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:17,839
flying saucers to the world it is a when

1890
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,120
i say we it's a

1891
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:21,520
joint scientific effort from many of the

1892
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:22,560
countries of the world

1893
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:26,640
russia united states england canada now

1894
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,400
it is just the manner in which to

1895
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:30,000
announce it

1896
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:31,520
what we have here is the tip of the

1897
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,159
iceberg with the anti-gravity device the

1898
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,319
flying saucer we've been discussing

1899
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:37,679
there are many other things that the

1900
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,960
technology offers

1901
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:41,199
new medicine which allows limbs to be

1902
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,159
regrown through

1903
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:44,560
electric field processes and plasma

1904
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:45,279
research

1905
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,400
bioplasma the tissue

1906
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,199
restructuring we have uh devices which

1907
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,040
can transmit power around the entire

1908
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,800
planet without wires so that you can

1909
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,600
tune to

1910
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:57,040
electricity stations like you would

1911
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:58,560
tuned a radio station but it would run

1912
01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:59,520
your house or your

1913
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:01,040
caravan or wherever you are in the bush

1914
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,719
or the water or the air

1915
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:05,120
we have theory now but i don't think any

1916
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,880
practical devices that would allow us to

1917
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,640
go faster than the speed of light

1918
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,640
and traverse many light years of

1919
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:13,199
distance in a very very short time

1920
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,320
using the same technique that we used to

1921
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,080
break the sound barrier where we

1922
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,719
warp the shock wave perhaps this is

1923
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,679
where star trek

1924
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:23,520
developed their terminology warp factor

1925
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,600
1 and warp factor 2.

1926
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,800
we have devices to make weapons which is

1927
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,320
an unfortunate thing can be used for

1928
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,480
other applications but in transmitting

1929
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,640
power in little hand or backpack units

1930
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:36,560
or even

1931
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,560
on tops of the decks of ships that shoot

1932
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,640
smoke rings or charged particle rings

1933
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:44,800
like smoke rings at targets long

1934
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:47,120
distances away and strike them with

1935
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,159
enough force to

1936
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,560
electrocute or burn the target depending

1937
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,800
upon what frequencies are used

1938
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,480
there are numerous things there is even

1939
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,480
a way to use this process to control

1940
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:58,640
mines at a distance of 10 to 15 miles

1941
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,360
from a center

1942
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,199
central transmitter where people aren't

1943
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:03,360
even aware of it during their sleep

1944
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:06,800
some what like post hypnotic suggestion

1945
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:24,830
tool

1946
01:12:04,470 --> 01:11:38,830
right

1947
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:07,189
we have to have 15 million witnesses

1948
01:12:13,229 --> 01:12:07,679
before

1949
01:12:13,239 --> 01:14:09,790
seriously

1950
01:15:07,550 --> 01:14:23,930
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